Poor Germans? They fired the first shot, they treated the Russians as subhumans, they murdered millions of innocent civilians (Babi Yar, Warsaw, anything pertaining to the Einsatzgruppen, etc etc). Not to justify Soviet brutality, but I hardly think you can say "poor Germans," not unless you're prepared to say "poor everyone involved."
You're the one who jumped on the wagon saying "Oh, you're talking abot the Nazis are in trouble, lets feel sad for them", I was talking about the civilians getting raped and slaughtered by the incoming russians. To rephrase so you don't get butthurt, "Poor German civilians". About the "fight to the end", part, I was saying Wehrmacht troops (not involved with the SS or Nazi Party) defend the people and keep your country's pride, so I am not pro Nazi. I see where I could have clarified better, though.
I didn't call you pro-Nazi. In fact, I didn't use the word Nazi once. Though, given your profile name and the unusually high proportion of neo-Nazis on this site, I wouldn't be very surprised. Sounds to me like you're the butthurt one here, pal.
Anyways, it's better to express your sympathy for all civilians in wars. Generally speaking if you express it for those of one country, especially the nation that perpetrated the worst crimes and wound up losing (making its story even worse-history's written by the victors and all that), you should expect people to think you're taking sides. And when you semantically load your comment ("fight for your country's honor"), it becomes pretty difficult for you to argue that you weren't picking a side believably.
Also, good page. Though you don't volunteer to be a sniper. You volunteer to be an infantryman. You become a sniper if you're a really damn good shot, and then only if you pass some very, very difficult training courses.
Wow, calling me Neo Nazi due to my middle name, or is it due to Germany once being ruled by an empire, which wasn't the same time as Nazis ruled Germany at all? I hate Nazism, and wish Germany never had to go through that dark time. Get your facts straight, "Sgt". I'm picking the German CIVILIANS side here, yes. All countries did have racial hates, prejudices, and "living" camps to other people, although the Nazis and Japanese did it much more frequently. The Americans had camps that housed Germans and Japanese, no matter be it American civilian nor enemy soldier. Some camps were brutal and strenuos to the people there. Some Nazis and Japanese did awful, disgusting things, and should be treated exactly the same punishment. However, the Wehrmacht had no involvement with the SS, WSS, or death camps, though some soldiers signed up to these places. I love my heritage, people and country, though I do not agree with everything that they believed. I wished the German civilians to not be murderered, raped or tortured by the Russians, as I am German. For other country's civilians, good luck, best wishes. But for the Wehrmacht and the civilians they were protecting, God be with you.
I know the empire preceded the third Reich, jackass. Fact of the matter is that on a site like this there ARE a lot of neo-Nazis, and not all of them use Nazi names; most stick to German or even German-sounding.
The Wehrmacht had nothing to do with it? That's a bad joke. That's an idea that was spread by German officers after the war to prevent more investigation into what they'd done than had already been accomplished at Nuremberg. It's now very well known that the Wehrmacht had plenty to do with racial atrocities and hate crimes. Jesus Christ, they even had a system of brothels set up, forcing thousands of women into sexual slavery. You're telling ME to get my facts right? The Wehrmacht handed over tens of thousands of Soviet POWs to the Einsatzgruppen to be murdered, the Heer committed sponsored mass rape and murder in Slavic countries, consistently massacred Slavic and Jewish civilians, repeatedly carried out brutal reprisals for partisan attacks, so on and so forth. If you don't know this, you're completely deluded.
Oh, right, the Americans interned Japanese civilians. They didn't, you know, massacre them in the thousands or even millions, and they didn't starve them or beat them or deny them basic medical attention, but I guess it is true that they were interned. Look, the worst injustice civilians suffered at the hands of the Americans on any large scale was that the ones who weren't smart enough to move west into the prairies like they were asked to didn't get their property back after the war. In the meantime, German soldiers in the Heer, not just the Waffen-SS or Einsatzgruppen, were blowing away Polish women and children for small ambushes perpetrated by other people. Don't you dare justify that.
The Wehrmacht was not apolitical in any way. You're suffering from a serious misconception, and seriously misguided patriotism.
Well I'm not nazi. I hate 'em, tarnishing Germany's battered name. Too lazy to even read your ridiculously long post. I agree with you, whatever, blah but not about patriotism. I love Germany, plain and simple, you can't tell me that's wrong. I end this stupid banter you tried to drag me in with this; any Germans not Nazi, army or not, I love 'em. Nazis, hate 'em. There. Auf Wiedersehen, frau!